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- Welcome and news / requests for new topics.
- Please help us stay on topic.
- Every session let’s try to cover questions like:
- What is the context of this section?
- Why included at this point in the presentation?
- What are the major points Lucretius is making?
- What are the implications of these points?
- Notes on New Topics / Announcements
- Last week we discussed:
- References to Telos
- steady contemplation.. health of body and serenity of soul
- “this is why we say that pleasure is the end… of a completely happy life
- When we say pleasure is the goal…
- whom do you consider better… limit of good things…
- Cicero’s On Ends… Telos is such that we measure all other things by it…
- Bryan’s comments — the last one he mentioned is not telos but paros (?) - because there are natural limits we can talk about fulfillment — telos is well translated as fulfillment. Goal is the peras - the limit. The telos vs peras -
- Disturbance focuses on pain. Natural healthy state includes exhilaration and excitement pantelos - (fully complete) peras refers to natural limits. deep-set bondary stones are not goals. peras more in Herotodus, telos is more.
- book 25 referencing praise and blame. poorluconsti
- Bryan = was full elimination of bodily pain really the goal?
- This week we will continue with Lucretius Book 1:734.
- Comments today
- Discussion focused on Romantic Love Romantic Love —
- Seleucid v Antigone romantic love scandal — Philonides - Love sickness of Antiochus —
- Advice from Lucretius to look past the superficiality and ultimately go for solidity and analogize to water dripping on rocks.
- PD29 and PD30
